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Celebrating the creator of Cobol
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andrewmcdonagh
2006-12-14 17:40:26 UTC
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Howard Brazee
2006-12-14 18:04:10 UTC
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On 14 Dec 2006 09:40:26 -0800, "andrewmcdonagh"
Post by andrewmcdonagh
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How many of us got one of her nanoseconds?
k***@att.net
2006-12-14 20:59:48 UTC
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I never got one of _those_ nanoseconds, BUT - I did get about 30 clock
seconds alone with her...

I think it was about 1985, and I was living in a big apartment house,
in Pentagon City, which is about halfway between the Pentagon and
Crystal City, in what is probably formally known (as an incorporated
city) as Arlington, VA.

I got on the elevator to ride down, and there she was. I must have
stared at her on the elevator ride down, not quite believing my
experience, though I had heard she lived in that building. She didn't
look at me, but she did stand even a bit more ramrod straight, and even
puffed out her chest some more.

Nothing was said. Nothing needed to be.

I still remember it.

Ken
Post by Howard Brazee
On 14 Dec 2006 09:40:26 -0800, "andrewmcdonagh"
Post by andrewmcdonagh
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How many of us got one of her nanoseconds?
Kelly Bert Manning
2006-12-21 04:33:31 UTC
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Post by andrewmcdonagh
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Global warming is already costing Canadians billions every year and will be
up to a large fraction of the GDP, world wide, during our children's life
times. Mountain Pine beetles killing every pine tree in BC is just part of
the loss which is already happening. Malaria is going upslope in the Andes
as mosquitos are able to survive farther up the mountains than in the past.

Swiss banks no longer loan money to ski resorts below 1500 meters.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6176271.stm

The Victoria snow fall one ncf.general warming denier was so worked up about
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was nearly gone a week later
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and totaly gone from lower elevations by last week
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The reservoir had filled and started to spill over the dam by Dec 15
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which is a new record.
http://www.crd.bc.ca/water/watersupplyarea/summary.htm

With warmer winters local snow pack accumulations have become a thing of the
past. The precipitation either falls as rain, or melts quickly and runs off.

In 4 months of cycle commuting last summer there was only 1 day of rain. So
much for the "Rain Coast", at least during the summer.
HeyBub
2006-12-21 16:07:14 UTC
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Post by Kelly Bert Manning
Global warming is already costing Canadians billions every year and will be
up to a large fraction of the GDP, world wide, during our children's life
times. Mountain Pine beetles killing every pine tree in BC is just part of
the loss which is already happening. Malaria is going upslope in the Andes
as mosquitos are able to survive farther up the mountains than in the past.
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.

If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow resorts,
etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
Donald Tees
2006-12-21 16:28:56 UTC
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Post by HeyBub
Post by Kelly Bert Manning
Global warming is already costing Canadians billions every year and will be
up to a large fraction of the GDP, world wide, during our children's life
times. Mountain Pine beetles killing every pine tree in BC is just part of
the loss which is already happening. Malaria is going upslope in the Andes
as mosquitos are able to survive farther up the mountains than in the past.
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.
If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow resorts,
etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
The longest growing season is in the Sahara. It solves little there ...

Donald
HeyBub
2006-12-21 18:31:35 UTC
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Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.
If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow
resorts, etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
The longest growing season is in the Sahara. It solves little there ...
That's because the godless Italians (Romans at the time) chopped down all
the trees.

Look at other places with the same latitude: Saudi Arabia for one.

Besides, I was talking about the growing season in Canada where they grow
things like, er, otters.
Donald Tees
2006-12-21 19:43:04 UTC
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Post by HeyBub
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.
If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow
resorts, etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
The longest growing season is in the Sahara. It solves little there ...
That's because the godless Italians (Romans at the time) chopped down all
the trees.
I also live in Canada. We too have chopped down all the tress. The
forests are just about gone, in fact, for the whole of North America.
We are in the process of paving it though, so sand should not be a problem.
Post by HeyBub
Look at other places with the same latitude: Saudi Arabia for one.
Besides, I was talking about the growing season in Canada where they grow
things like, er, otters.
Ah yes, but that takes water. We are poisoning the water. Would you
drink untreated water that was just sitting there, out in the open? I
can *remember* when the great lakes were full of drinkable water. Now
they are full of piss, and the fish are gone.

Donald
Pete Dashwood
2006-12-21 23:45:06 UTC
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Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.
If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow
resorts, etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
The longest growing season is in the Sahara. It solves little there ...
That's because the godless Italians (Romans at the time) chopped down all
the trees.
I also live in Canada. We too have chopped down all the tress. The
forests are just about gone, in fact, for the whole of North America. We
are in the process of paving it though, so sand should not be a problem.
Post by HeyBub
Look at other places with the same latitude: Saudi Arabia for one.
Besides, I was talking about the growing season in Canada where they grow
things like, er, otters.
And (a favourite of mine) beaver.... :-)
Post by Donald Tees
Ah yes, but that takes water. We are poisoning the water. Would you
drink untreated water that was just sitting there, out in the open? I can
*remember* when the great lakes were full of drinkable water. Now they
are full of piss, and the fish are gone.
Donald
So the fish pissed off?

Where would they go....?

Bass Strait
Cape Cod
Bream lighthouse
Florida (just for the halibut...)
Salt Hake City
DeTrout
Bismarck (only the herrings...)
Sardinea
Guppysburg
Monkgomery
Atmanta
Sharkansas
Washlington

Of course, all the Lesbian fish go on bicycles...

The rest go on skates.

Pete.
HeyBub
2006-12-22 04:49:43 UTC
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Post by Donald Tees
I also live in Canada. We too have chopped down all the tress. The
forests are just about gone, in fact, for the whole of North America.
We are in the process of paving it though, so sand should not be a problem.
I think you're selling the wood to the U.S. I do know that we have more
trees in the U.S. now that we did when Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Look at other places with the same latitude: Saudi Arabia for one.
Besides, I was talking about the growing season in Canada where they
grow things like, er, otters.
Ah yes, but that takes water. We are poisoning the water. Would you
drink untreated water that was just sitting there, out in the open?
Well, I, for one, don't drink "designer" water, so maybe I'll have to. And
with genetic engineering, we may very well have a waterless otter soon.
Post by Donald Tees
I
can *remember* when the great lakes were full of drinkable water. Now
they are full of piss, and the fish are gone.
Thank goodness. That means the Great Lakes are no longer full of fish piss.
Alistair
2006-12-22 12:27:02 UTC
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Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.
If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow
resorts, etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
The longest growing season is in the Sahara. It solves little there ...
That's because the godless Italians (Romans at the time) chopped down all
the trees.
I also live in Canada. We too have chopped down all the tress. The
forests are just about gone, in fact, for the whole of North America.
We are in the process of paving it though, so sand should not be a problem.
You will need to use sand to make concrete when laying your paving and
tarmacadam. There are at least two types of sand. The one you use is
sharp sand and you'll need to ship that in from Saudi.
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Look at other places with the same latitude: Saudi Arabia for one.
Besides, I was talking about the growing season in Canada where they grow
things like, er, otters.
Ah yes, but that takes water. We are poisoning the water. Would you
drink untreated water that was just sitting there, out in the open? I
can *remember* when the great lakes were full of drinkable water. Now
they are full of piss, and the fish are gone.
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
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Donald
Richard
2006-12-22 20:02:14 UTC
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Post by Alistair
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
You should at least be able to name those six, and are they in series
or parallel ?
Pete Dashwood
2006-12-22 20:54:53 UTC
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Post by Richard
Post by Alistair
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
You should at least be able to name those six, and are they in series
or parallel ?
I. P. Daly
Jimmy Riddle
Seymour Rivers
Tante Piss (representing the French community)
Wun Long Pee (representing the Chinese community)
and
Mustapha Leak (representing the Islamic community)

Definitely in series... it's a seriesous business.

Pete.
Alistair
2006-12-23 13:31:16 UTC
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Post by Richard
Post by Alistair
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
You should at least be able to name those six, and are they in series
or parallel ?
If I recall my physics correctly, the parallel series would be the line
of least resistance?
Pete Dashwood
2006-12-22 20:47:28 UTC
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"Alistair" <***@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
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Post by Alistair
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
Ah, yes...urban myth...

Entertaining and interesting, but unlikely.

I remember hearing this 25 years ago. You'd think by now they would have
built better catchment, distribution and treatment... The number should be
at least 8, given the size of the population now and then.

Another "interesting" story circulating at the same time was that, with an
increasing number of women taking birth control pills, the water passed
through their kidneys was acquiring female hormones. This was supposed to
account for the increasing Gay population in London.

Many people believe this is true.

And there are giant blind crocodiles living in the sewers of New York....

Pete.
Clark F Morris
2006-12-22 21:31:17 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:47:28 +1300, "Pete Dashwood"
Post by Pete Dashwood
<snip>>
Post by Alistair
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
Ah, yes...urban myth...
Entertaining and interesting, but unlikely.
I remember hearing this 25 years ago. You'd think by now they would have
built better catchment, distribution and treatment... The number should be
at least 8, given the size of the population now and then.
Another "interesting" story circulating at the same time was that, with an
increasing number of women taking birth control pills, the water passed
through their kidneys was acquiring female hormones. This was supposed to
account for the increasing Gay population in London.
I have vague recollections of reading about certain chemicals in the
water that were supposed to affect the sexual functions of frogs and
possibly other animals. This was a serious article in at least a
mainstream periodical. The addition of various things into the water
may be having effects.
Post by Pete Dashwood
Many people believe this is true.
And there are giant blind crocodiles living in the sewers of New York....
Pete.
LX-i
2006-12-22 23:48:02 UTC
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Post by Clark F Morris
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:47:28 +1300, "Pete Dashwood"
Post by Pete Dashwood
Another "interesting" story circulating at the same time was that, with an
increasing number of women taking birth control pills, the water passed
through their kidneys was acquiring female hormones. This was supposed to
account for the increasing Gay population in London.
I have vague recollections of reading about certain chemicals in the
water that were supposed to affect the sexual functions of frogs and
possibly other animals. This was a serious article in at least a
mainstream periodical. The addition of various things into the water
may be having effects.
Be careful - you might end up on the politically incorrect side of the
"nature vs. nurture" debate... ;)

(I can hear it now... "The *water* made me do it!")
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Alistair
2006-12-23 13:41:34 UTC
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Post by Pete Dashwood
<snip>>
Post by Alistair
The River Thames apparently (don't ask me for proof) passes through six
people before it reaches the sea.
Ah, yes...urban myth...
Entertaining and interesting, but unlikely.
I don't hink it is an urban myth. But who cares? I don't live in the
Thames area and my water comes from a nearby lake.
Post by Pete Dashwood
I remember hearing this 25 years ago. You'd think by now they would have
built better catchment, distribution and treatment... The number should be
at least 8, given the size of the population now and then.
There are serious water problems in the UK so the number of
pre-processing consumers may well have to be upped.
Post by Pete Dashwood
Another "interesting" story circulating at the same time was that, with an
increasing number of women taking birth control pills, the water passed
through their kidneys was acquiring female hormones. This was supposed to
account for the increasing Gay population in London.
Many people believe this is true.
There are female hormones in UK water supplies due to the use of the
pill. It has been putatively linked with the decline in male sperm
(quality and quantity) in the UK. However, I am not aware of any link
to increasing gay populations. There was a recent BBC news article
linking being the fourth son with an increased probability of being gay
(due to the mother's body responding to male proteins and rejecting
them with increasing vigour with each successive male birth).
Post by Pete Dashwood
And there are giant blind crocodiles living in the sewers of New York....
I've seen footage of alligators being pulled out of Florida's sewers
and drains. So not so far from the truth. Did you see the cases of the
alligators taking on pythons? Two recent cases ended in mutually
assured deaths of the protagonists.
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Pete.
d***@panix.com
2006-12-23 15:31:11 UTC
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Post by Alistair
Post by Pete Dashwood
And there are giant blind crocodiles living in the sewers of New York....
I've seen footage of alligators being pulled out of Florida's sewers
and drains. So not so far from the truth.
It may be as far from the truth, Mr Maclean, as Florida is from New
York... such beasts are native to the latter state, not the former.

DD
SkippyPB
2006-12-23 16:59:46 UTC
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Post by Alistair
Post by Pete Dashwood
And there are giant blind crocodiles living in the sewers of New York....
I've seen footage of alligators being pulled out of Florida's sewers
and drains. So not so far from the truth.
It may be as far from the truth, Mr Maclean, as Florida is from New
York... such beasts are native to the latter state, not the former.
DD
Gators couldn't live in a sewer because of temperatures and bacteria.
Here's a link to a good explanation of this urban myth:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/alligators/a/sewer_gators.htm

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HeyBub
2006-12-23 21:18:21 UTC
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Post by SkippyPB
Gators couldn't live in a sewer because of temperatures and bacteria.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/alligators/a/sewer_gators.htm
We've got gators here in Texas. I'm tellin' you, a gator can live anywhere
it damn well wants to live. Even Lousiana.
SkippyPB
2006-12-24 17:15:17 UTC
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Post by SkippyPB
Gators couldn't live in a sewer because of temperatures and bacteria.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/alligators/a/sewer_gators.htm
We've got gators here in Texas. I'm tellin' you, a gator can live anywhere
it damn well wants to live. Even Lousiana.
They are native to Louisiana. I know because I lived in New Orleans
for over 2 years. They were common in the swamps.

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Michael Mattias
2006-12-24 17:50:31 UTC
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Post by SkippyPB
Post by HeyBub
We've got gators here in Texas. I'm tellin' you, a gator can live anywhere
it damn well wants to live. Even Lousiana.
They are native to Louisiana. I know because I lived in New Orleans
for over 2 years. They were common in the swamps.
And you laugh at ice, snow and cold?

MCM
Racine WI
Alistair
2006-12-23 23:12:43 UTC
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Post by SkippyPB
Post by d***@panix.com
[snip]
Post by Alistair
Post by Pete Dashwood
And there are giant blind crocodiles living in the sewers of New York....
I've seen footage of alligators being pulled out of Florida's sewers
and drains. So not so far from the truth.
It may be as far from the truth, Mr Maclean, as Florida is from New
York... such beasts are native to the latter state, not the former.
DD
Gators couldn't live in a sewer because of temperatures and bacteria.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/alligators/a/sewer_gators.htm
Second time around (google trashed it first time):

Nice link. Cheers. Crocs (alligators are a form of crocodilian) to my
knowledge do not change colour dependant upon exposure to light nor
would they be blind (but they would be hypersensitive to light) if kept
in sewers.

Does any one remember the game "The Boggit" where you get bitten upon
the bum when sat on the toilet? I'd be more worried about sewer
dwelling pythons than crocs (crocs can't get round my u-bend).
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Robert Jones
2006-12-24 11:33:14 UTC
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What about little nippers?
HeyBub
2006-12-24 14:44:20 UTC
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Post by Robert Jones
What about little nippers?
No need to be racist.
Alistair
2006-12-22 12:23:36 UTC
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Post by HeyBub
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
Uh, the trend over the past decade is a global LOWERING of average
temperatures.
I wonder where the evidence for that statement comes from.
Post by HeyBub
Post by Donald Tees
Post by HeyBub
If global warming is in progress, the problems you mention (snow
resorts, etc.) will be more than offset by longer growing seasons.
The longest growing season is in the Sahara. It solves little there ...
That's because the godless Italians (Romans at the time) chopped down all
the trees.
Err, no. Read "Sahara Man: Travelling with the Tuareg" by Jeremy
Keenan. He describes areas that are wooded. He also mentions that a
sizeable number of people drown in the Sahara and not in oases.
Post by HeyBub
Look at other places with the same latitude: Saudi Arabia for one.
Besides, I was talking about the growing season in Canada where they grow
things like, er, otters.
Ubiquitous
2008-04-25 15:21:56 UTC
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Post by andrewmcdonagh
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Wow, Grace worked on COBOL too?
Vince Coen
2008-04-26 16:49:37 UTC
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Hello Ubiquitous!
Post by andrewmcdonagh
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U> Wow, Grace worked on COBOL too?

Sort of, when I came into programming in 1963 using machine code, assembler
and Cobol I seem to recall her name was in the very skimpy Cobol manual (by
skimpy I mean around 40-50 A4 pages long) and that included the syntax and the
JCL to run the compiler on a ICL 1501. The manual for a IBM 1401 was not much
better.

I seem to recall she was also directly involved in the test suite that still
exists today to be used to test out Cobol compilers for correct operation
using specific syntax and I still use it today when testing Open Cobol and
Tiny Cobol. Coming to think about it, Microfocus Cobol as well.

In that suite was a flow chart generator as well as a cross reference tool.

Last year I started using it again only to find that it was far to far out of
date for modern compilers, at least Open Cobol so I did a total rewrite of it.
I must get round and place it onto the sourceforge web site as I have set up
an area for it.

So little time, so much to do.

Vince

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